Monday, June 26, 2006
Why Steven Hawking's Cosmology Precludes a Creator
This paper suggests that "one can predict everything in the universe solely from physical laws. Thus, the long-standing 'first cause' problem in cosmology has been dispelled." This cosmology has eliminated the need to postulate an originating cause of the universe's beginning. Stephen Hawking has famously said "there is no place for a Creator." The author shows that the very explanation of the universe offered by quantum cosmology implies that quantum cosmology is logically incompatible with theism, and a quantum God does not exist.
sees perceptions reflected
takes reflections as reality
reality is shaped by the percieved
Percievers sometimes forget
How little they see
And cease to recognize
The God in the Machine
Ultimately, Smith (and all of us) are forced to appeal to "cause," because effects without cause are nonsense. The are certainly not science because science is cause and effect by definition.
If we say that the universe is infinitely old, we commit the first fallacy because no amount of time is sufficient to arrive at "now." If the universe is not infinitely old as Smith concedes, then it needs a cause to come to be. It cannot be self caused (fallacy #3) because then it would have to precede itself. With nowhere left to turn, we paint ourselves into a corner and disavow that anything is real (fallacy #4). But some reality must exist because we are acting in time: we are contemplating the nature of the universe!
The only possible explanation after all is that some always existing reality, transcendent of time and space, must have created the universe. Apparently, the only reason intelligent folk abhor this conclusion is because they are loathe to believe in God.
Also, you seem blind to the assumptions about time and space that go into your argument. For example, have you considered the possibility that all of time-space is actually static, and time as something that "flows" is an illusion? Then again, what if time is circular?
What created the universe? Fuck if I know. But postulating an entity outside of time and space only moves the problem. Worse, it elaborates the problem without solving it. I need God for love, not for creating the universe.
Didn't the scientists at the time subscribe to the flat earth theory?
In this instance,
Anon 1: Aristotle, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas blah blah blah...
Anon 2: This guy has a problem. What to do with all those broken mirrors? Will he ever learn? "The God in the machine" Isn't that a plagerized heavy metal lyric or a lost manuscript from HG Wells?
Anon 3: So, you crave invisible love from that illusory other-side-of-the- fence and in the same moment you seem incognizant of the press and plea of the billion lonely pink and brown real human beings frantically beckoning for your abstract, absent, yet spiritually laudable(?) attentions? We all die soon enough. Tragic.
Anon 4:Everything must be true and everything must be false otherwise biological beings could not postulate the idea or the image. Logos. Name it and make it real.
Name it, make it the cause, then plan the effect. Look in your mind. Whatever God there is hides there, dionysian or crucified, smiling or starving, master of a thousand mudras, composer of your favourite hymns. And yes, even though I live on a globe agreed upon by science and nature, some prototype scientists , once upon a time, believed the earth was flat, (although there is much evidence pinpointing the religious and ignorant as the chief devotees of the prone flatness of the earth. So, I suppose if THEY can believe nonsense then you're allowed to believe in a magic Jesus.
Anon 5: Getting somewhere, getting somewhere, the fetters are popping, the shell is cracking, the yellow sunshine rises like a little pill, OMIGOD, it's 1969! (Does the past really have to cease existing to be called the past?)
Anon 6: Have you ever tried to scream "intent"? Its a really tough word to scream. Is this not obvious? I bet you haven't even tried to scream "intent" even though you write of it with such authority. Where was this tent anyway? What happened, skunk? bear? that caused you to scream in a tent? Seriously, what you describe is only quantuum because our collective version of you is quantuum, and your idea that G-d is manifest, in fact is creation is the basis of primitive animism /pantheism...Not less valid than any other speculative fiction.
Hey why not? When you need to know the weather for that big picnic just ask the cloud god and the wind god to seduce the moon goddess so she'll intercede with the sun god to squash the ant god. Makes as much sense and is probably as accurate as most meteorological reports.
Anonymous writers should worry less about G-ds and religion and concern themselves with their own apparent lack of existance.
It is beyond me how any scientist could even make a statement such as Hawking did. I have a fairly recent cosmology book that tells exactly the components of our planets & their moons. A couple decades later they send probes to these locations & low and behold they grab their cheeks with both hands, eyes wide, mouth open & say "We had no idea, it was nothing like we thought."
We can't even describe our solar system on a most basic level & Hawking precludes creation.
I suggest we listen to the "experts" statements in any field as a possibility of contention, not as truth, & let the work build. We can play with the "evidence" all we want to.
And I am still in existence!!
Science and religion do not differ as much as most people like to make it seem. Most scientific folks, who believe in "Science God", fail to realize the most evident similarities.