Saturday, February 11, 2006


Why Being an Atheist is Reasonable

"Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake.

If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time." -- Bertrand Russell

I don't think that in today's society can claim to be at risk of being sent to a psychiatrist for not believing in $DOCTRINE (well, not in a Western society anyway). Maybe when he spoke this quote some time between 18 May 1872 and 2 February 1970 there was more of a risk.

Of course religion is irrational most of the time. One principal idea of Christian traditions is to cultivate faith; notice the biblical passage about "blessed are those who have not seen, but still believe". This is also why people who try to prove some sort of creationist theory using modern science are doomed to failure even if the world was created.

Religion is irrational, so deal with it- and I say that to both religious and nonreligious people. Note also that many other things in life are irrational too, perhaps most notably Love...
Why wouldn't it be? Why would one pose such a question?
Love irrational?? It seems not,,,2099-2022366,00.html

Religion is irrational, so deal with it- and I say that to both religious and nonreligious people. Note also that many other things in life are irrational too, perhaps most notably Love...

But why should I deal with the irrationality of religion. It is my belief that too often in debate about religion the atheist must simply take on ‘faith’ the notion of faith.
Can you maybe then
calm down all those
Mohammed cartoon riots,
and put your assertions to use?
Theofrenia rules the thought of most of the people on the planet, so being an atheist the only real form of sanity left to the rest of us.
Human beings forget and ignore the one thing that gives them a true measure of the world. Experience.

What is your experience of people of religion? What is your experience of people who profess a belief in God?

Personally, they are not any different that an atheist. Humans are what they are. Not perfect. While the words they speak may be pretty, the reality can be quite bloody, depending on where you live.
When I look out at the world I see death in the name of God. The religion doesn't matter. What matters is that people of religion are so invested in their afterlife that they think nothing of making a Hell on earth for the rest of us.

Personally, I'm a Satanic Feminist. I reject all other labels as inadequate to describe my experience as a human female on this earth.
Atheist, Muslim, Christian, it doesn't matter. What matters is how are your beliefs affecting the world around you. Are people killing, enslaving, or otherwise negatively putting others in a position where they feel that they have to fight back? If you answer yes to the question, then you are a problem for the rest of us.
I say keep it to yourself. Ultimately you are going to die, then you will have your answer. Until then your beliefs are personal.
What matters is how do you operate in the world. Are you a user, do you crap on people who try to help you? Let your life be the example of your beliefs. If you can't do that one thing. Leave the rest of alone.
This conflict of beliefs is nothing new, look at human history. It is filled with conflict between human belief systems. It's time to let it go and look at the big picture. We're all going to die. The question is how do you want to live?
Having a positively held belief in the nonexistence of an undetectable is an irrationality- a Faith.

So being an Atheist is a creed, co-equal with all other creeds, in that it posits an unprovable.

Therefore it is in exact consonance with them.

It is exactly as reasonable to be an Atheist as it is to be a Mohammedan, or a Jain.

Conversely, it is exactly as irrational to be an Atheist as it is to be a Buddhist or an animalist.

Finally, Atheism, if truly held, is counter-scientific, having no disprovability.

Therefore the hordes of irrational scientists spouting "Atheism as science" are bald faced propagandizers for a cult.
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Western religions teach that all other versions of god are false and there is no value in searching beyond their teachings.When one loses faith in that religion's doctrine,they maintain the above belief.Hence,it is religion that creates the atheist.And if the ath finds evidence of a god he will usually revert back to his former religion.It is very hard to experience something which you do not believe possible.Those with fixed beliefs will reject evidence contrary to those beliefs.You cannot reason someone out of that which he did not reason himself into.One must search for the truth about reality with an open mind.Few are capable of such an approach.
What relevance does an interplanetary teapot have to human life on Earth? Give me a teapot in the kitchen.

A warm cup of something sweet and mysterious, name your poison. That would be worth learning some dogma about.

Russell's point as I see it was that pressuring others to conform to dogma or to have some religion for heavens sake! is unchristian, unphilosophical, etc.

Which is better: Going shopping and buying a teapot and some "hot drink mix" and trying to live vicariously through reading the advertising copy on the label: choice traditional ingredients from some authentic place, or going outside and picking something to make tea or soup from yourself?

Religion seems to be a reaction to life being thin in authentic emotional experience. Religions like Christianity came in with popular literacy. Life nowadays is so thin in authentic experience that you're not even having a conversation about this or reading it in a shared traditional book, you're looking at some temporary bits on a computer screen.

Thus the 21st century religion so far: The universe is a computer. We're just hoping god has AI.
The assumption:

no athiests

doesn't work because

If pGOD = infinity
dog catchers

If pGOD != infinity

sideways-elongated-8 = 0 = any other portion of sideways-elongated-8

Which part can you detach and un-infinitize if non-existance is just an infinite part of infiniteness? And how will that be measured? Being right misses the mark. Whatever you call it, you are smack in the middle of it.
I find atheism as being totally irrational. If I understand it correctly, it means the universe was created accidentally through physical processes. No reason, just did. What you see is all there is to it.

Science has taught me that you see an infinitesimally small portion of what exists & understand none of it. All of science has not the slightest idea what mere motion is, much less explaining anything else.

Since we know virtually nothing of what is going on, to suggest otherwise means no more to me than playing marbles. Religious or not, no one has scratched the surface of truth or reality.

This is what bothers me about atheism- There is no reason, meaning or purpose for anything. If what you see is all there is, I would sooner never been born, & would never want to possess this awareness again- ever.

This is the way I think it may be- there never was a creation, nor be an ending, because in true reality there is no time. This precludes the thought of beginning or end. To me, there has to be a reason for this universe, else how could it be here?

All existence is the eternal now, which we can't "see" either. Everything we experience in life is historical experience due to the "time" it takes to realize we have experienced it. Bertrand Russell himself said this.

I have heard so many times people saying there does not have to be a purpose. Sorry- there must be reason, meaning & purpose. Everything you "see" & that exists are manifestations of the deep reality. The deep reality has no "life span" & is there for eternity.

No one can know with certainty if our essence goes into an afterlife with identity intact, but isn't it quite possible considering reality does not die, & we are definitely a part of that reality?

Decartes had only three Latin words for everything he knew, & he was probably as close to the truth as anyone in history.
I have a question for patty jr. satanic feminist. There are things in your belief system I agree with- case in point, experience & how one affects the world is of utmost importance.

What I don't understand is if all things God are absurd, how can you be satanic? I'm no satan expert, but doesen't satan invoke the same type of realm of existence as a God realm?

How does satan exist without the existence of a God? I thought satanists believed satan was a God.
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